tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post1827523682440130033..comments2023-08-09T23:00:54.857+10:00Comments on Graham Dumpleton: Let me Google that for you.Graham Dumpletonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13609779138164842374noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-17163555413578749672012-12-07T08:15:24.503+11:002012-12-07T08:15:24.503+11:00A lot of problems were simply brought by scale eff...A lot of problems were simply brought by scale effects. One can't compare newsgroup visited by hundred people with place flooded by tens of thousands (or more). SO in fact does rather good job of keeping valuable content available in spite of this volume.<br />I just think they could hide answers for a few hours to eliminate the race.<br />Mekkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00753839787765152120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-18726875068022273602012-12-06T20:53:36.378+11:002012-12-06T20:53:36.378+11:00Thanks for writing this. I have been feeling the ...Thanks for writing this. I have been feeling the same sort of ambivalence toward SO. I like the idea of crowd sourcing normally poorly maintained FAQs. It also does a good job of presenting the kind of discussion found in mailing list archives which can be awkward to search and navigate. But it does so, as you explain, by sucking participants into a centrally controlled and sadly gamified Brendanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09910243137799879562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-66471336251417176232012-12-06T14:56:14.329+11:002012-12-06T14:56:14.329+11:00@esacteksab I didn't see anything as being spe...@esacteksab I didn't see anything as being specifically directed at me. Doesn't mean it isn't a good opportunity to do some self reflection as well. It is when people don't occasionally look at themselves that elitism can start to invade. The conversation is therefore a good grounding exercise.Graham Dumpletonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13609779138164842374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-67968085731360936372012-12-06T14:32:31.086+11:002012-12-06T14:32:31.086+11:00You and I have actually spoken before. I opened a ...You and I have actually spoken before. I opened a support ticket. I hope I didn't ask the wrong question, but you went above and beyond, offering why I was experiencing my problem (link to the bug) and recommendations on how to fix it. I then asked further questions about the service and you presented links to presentations (by yourself and another individual if I remember correctly). <br />esacteksabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02689954174756315539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-51675489441383736302012-12-06T13:31:42.836+11:002012-12-06T13:31:42.836+11:00@esacteksab You have the attitude I would like to ...@esacteksab You have the attitude I would like to see more of. You can see the value that can be had. It is a bit disappointing that you have had a less than positive experience in trying to hook up with the community.<br /><br />As I said though, it depends a bit on the forum where you are trying to get help. Some forums around specific communities may also not be as welcoming as others. There Graham Dumpletonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13609779138164842374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-20612026044705351452012-12-06T13:00:19.286+11:002012-12-06T13:00:19.286+11:00I actually like what you said, describe what you&#...I actually like what you said, describe what you're trying to do/solve rather than the issue you're experiencing. Perhaps I should preface my questions with that. <br /><br />I feel like I give _too_ much information and perhaps it is information overload rather than not enough information, but I learned a long time ago and follow the philosophy of rather too much, than not enough. <br esacteksabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02689954174756315539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-10077058207101110632012-12-06T12:45:51.350+11:002012-12-06T12:45:51.350+11:00@esacteksab My main issue with questions for the c...@esacteksab My main issue with questions for the case where people are asking how to fix an issue, as opposed to how to do something, is that they the information they provide is somewhat lacking. They will only provide what they think is important, often editing it from the original so you can't even be sure exactly what they do have. They will help their situation more by not cutting thingsGraham Dumpletonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13609779138164842374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-53216492161749210932012-12-06T12:29:48.871+11:002012-12-06T12:29:48.871+11:00N00b here. I've haven't been shy regarding...N00b here. I've haven't been shy regarding the Python Community (or lack there of community in my experience). <br /><br />Your post made me want to respond. <br /><br />As a n00b to programming, Python, and more specifically Django (background is Geek/Sys Admin), I've found it difficult to create the relationships you talk about. Relationships I've been able to create in other esacteksabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02689954174756315539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-4101400610684481292012-12-06T07:38:25.658+11:002012-12-06T07:38:25.658+11:00@Persepolis I think you miss the main point I am m...@Persepolis I think you miss the main point I am making. That is that the changing attitude to want the quick fix means that people are no longer engaging with the people in the community. Because of that no lasting relationship is formed and so the community doesn't grow in the way it once was. In the past when people would make the effort to engage and communicate then I would get to know Graham Dumpletonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13609779138164842374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-83021834511742377402012-12-06T06:53:36.362+11:002012-12-06T06:53:36.362+11:00Great posting, Graham!
The paragraph about IRC an...Great posting, Graham!<br /><br />The paragraph about IRC and biased opinion made me smile. The word 'thread' in #python has a similar effect as 'Jehova' in a certain Monty Python movie ... :)Christian Heimeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16043034511693193747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-42718667805554747812012-12-06T05:53:41.137+11:002012-12-06T05:53:41.137+11:00Just wanted to say "Thank You" for all o...Just wanted to say "Thank You" for all of the contributions that you (Graham) have made to the python and open source community. Your passion for open source is an inspiration. Don't let the noise of the internet negatively affect you or your contributions :) robbythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17353568806550272118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-34101252618768135052012-12-06T02:56:38.189+11:002012-12-06T02:56:38.189+11:00I disagree for two reasons:
* People asking the s...I disagree for two reasons:<br /><br />* People asking the same questions (perhaps with different variations) means that Google is a richer source of answers when searching. If both "how to I add to a list" and "how do I append integers on my list" are represented I've got a better chance of finding information.<br /><br />* The reality is that StackOverflow has never Persepolishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09707098473645955283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-16213484811914951992012-12-06T01:50:30.307+11:002012-12-06T01:50:30.307+11:00"To me this is slowly destroying the relation..."To me this is slowly destroying the relationship building which actually creates a good community."<br /><br />This is probably the biggest fault on SO. SO replaces the language's community with it's own.<br /><br />Another issue is the closing of questions, which is a problem when the answer changes (i.e. code is deprecated). For developers, a three year old answer might be Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18087056804630828127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-6960529575909541462012-12-05T23:12:20.425+11:002012-12-05T23:12:20.425+11:00I'm occasionally disturbed by the quality of u...I'm occasionally disturbed by the quality of upvotes on StackOverflow. Note that I'm not concerned with the exchanges themselves, but the pattern of reputation is frustrating, and for exactly the reasons you give. I use SE all the time, but frequently find myself racing to submit answers and writing quick solutions for people rather than explanations or, better yet, leading questions. Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08311892225026653896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2363643920942057324.post-40186674645215162512012-12-05T22:03:05.324+11:002012-12-05T22:03:05.324+11:00A lot of what you say resonates with me. More gene...A lot of what you say resonates with me. More generally I'm concerned at the shade SO casts over other sources of information. If you do google for a programming related issue then not infrequently SO entries occupy the first several entries on the results page. This may reflect the quality of the answers but it concerns me that we may end up with a mono-culture. It may sound a bit strange Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16309803627858715443noreply@blogger.com